Never involve sex when training??

I saw this post a couple of months ago and have finally got around to posting it for anyone who may be interested in reading other kinksters' views.

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I read the following recently and would like to get both Masters/Doms and slaves/submissives thoughts on involving sex early or from the beginning of a D/s M/s relationship.

Again these were the thoughts of just one slave person and come from just their point of view from having been trained both ways.

Does anyone else feel some or all of the same? Or none?

What thoughts do you have on this?

NEVER NEVER involve sex during training

While some/many Masters/Doms may feel that having sex with their sub/property is their right, is it easier for men/Masters/Doms to not associate affection/love with sex, especially during training?

There are women out there that don't associate affection/love with sex, and maybe there are a lot of women that do, especially face to face pussy sex. Some Masters/Doms never have pussy sex with their subs/slaves. They own the holes, but don't use the pussy. Anal sex while enjoyable to many can place a different mindset on the sub/property.

Sex can muddy the water and when it is included in the very beginning, and when it is part of the "training" the trainee may do just about anything to keep it coming. If one is trained without any sex, sexual gratification, sensuality, it may show how much they are really a slave because non-slaves and players won't continue without sex

Stop having sex with them and actually cause them to suffer for you, no sensual stuff, no playing with the nipples, no warm up, just flat out whip and cane the shit out of them. no orgasm, see how long they put up with it, no blow jobs, no hand jobs, leave them sit in a corner in chains for hours, no touching you, nothing, those are the things that will make or break someone.

Are you a Master looking for a slave, or are you a weekend warrior that is kinky and likes kinky sex?

From one slave's thinking, sex should be a part of a M/s relationship, after the training is done. Sex is not a slave's right, it is a want and not a need. a Master owns the slave completely, her feelings, her thoughts, her rights, everything.  Master determines what will occur and when.

Do you want to own someone completely, to be accountable for them, be responsible for them. Maybe you just want to love someone and have them love you and being kinky is a plus. Only you can decide that.

Completely owning someone also requires major responsibility. To completely own someone does require a lot of work and micromanagement to a degree. Remember that, owning someone requires constant vigilance and being "on" all the time.